Heres an idea. . . How about the state create a "California Gaming Commission" which would control the odds (like Nevada and New Jersey do) thus offering some form of consumer protection from these money grubbing tribes. Unfortunately our short sighted state government is too easily swayed by the bribe moneies paid by these tribes, to actually look out for the best interests of its citizens.

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on a clear day this will stand out like the sutter buttes for miles around- i think maybe cut the height in half would be better. hurray for the concert hall!!! yea!!! finally something in placer co we dont have to drive to like marysville,calexpo,downtown- bring on the concerts!!!! side note- why doesnt thunder have roulett tables??? come one- my favorite game!!!

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Look, I don't gamble and I don't play the Lotto but I support thes existence of both. A fool and his (or her) money is soon parted so let the fools lose their money if they believe they're having fun doing so. That's how I feel. Now Thunder Valley wants a hotel tower? I say GREAT! I wonder why they took so long. Other tribal casinos have been stealing their thunder with their own hotels and theaters. Who really cares about the pastoral landscape? To me the area looks like fields of weeds with warehouses tossed in to break up the monotony. No one drives through this wasteland between Rocklin/Roseville and Lincoln to view the scenery because it's NOT scenic. Let's get some more tax dollars for the county and state and some entertainment options to boot. Way to go Thunder Valley! It's time.

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And I'm glad I don't live there.

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As the facts have shown all of these lawsuits were baseless because the fears they had never played out. Personally I am against all of these huge Indian casinos that have been built and really think the Federal government needs to go back and overhaul the Indian laws that allow them to buy a piece of land and claim it is now a tribal reservation. For chowderheadlivesforever this is the reason the CA government can not regulate anything with these Indian casinos, because they are not covered under state laws and don't have to abide by them when they are on their private Indian reservations, which Thunder Valley is technically.

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The only way out of this mess, IMHO, is to legalize gambling in the whole state. That would diminish the impact of these eyesores and crime-magnet casinos. Laws against gambing in Calif. are basically a joke at this point, with all the cardrooms, Indian casinos, and the Lotto. Why not go all the way, and remove the benefit to the most powerful special interest group in the state?

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The original lawsuits didn't understand IGRA, and how much power that gave tribes to do as they wished. Now that the UAIC and municipalities have come to something of a detene (helped in no small part by monies funneled from the casino) it's funny to see greed materialize once again. Go to Thunder Valley some time and examine the demographic. Casinos are basically a tax on people and sociocultural segments that are math-challenged. It's good to see an oppressed people get the right to bulid casinos....why can't African-Americans do the same? Hmmm.

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Go ahead, build this mega casino. Watch financial devastation run through the region. Soaring bankruptcies, horrible traffic, more pollution, visual pollution, more street crime, etc.

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It's time to legalize gambling throughout the state of California. Why should California give up a large percentage of gambling profits so they can get a 'small slice of the pie' from the Indian casinos. This would allow American citizens to gamble without giving up their rights.

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I knew it was going to expand the first time I visited it on the 'Grand Opening'. It is too small to really compete head to head with Tahoe/Reno. I am not in agreement with this being done, but I knew this day would come, based on all the open land around them. Not sure if they need a HUGE tower to house the rooms,should keep it in line with the area. If they build the concert arena like the Palms built thiers, the 'Pearl', then Sacramentans/Nor.Cal folk have another venue for BIG name acts to play.

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I think the whole project sucks. Why do we even allow gambling in California? People are idiots. They willingly and literally throw their money away, and then complain they don't have the money to see their doctor or pay their mortgage. We don't need a 24 story tower in Placer. It's going to be a huge eyesore. It's amazing how pacifist people become when the rich tribe throws money at them. Sure I'll buy you a firetruck in return for an extra few hundred million a year in profit!

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Its stop drop an go. Sealed boards, Multi-Games on one Machine, Enjoy your Smiles, Odds are thats all you will take home. True luck requires mechanical movement, Electronics can be programed out. Calif is under Qualified to run what its got.

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....and use the revenues to get the State out of the budget crisis it's in!!!! WOW - I knew the casino would eventually build on a hotel (we live in Twelve Bridges right across the highway from the casino), but I didn't think it was going to be *that* big!!!! It'll be nice to see some good concerts and other events so close to home, I suppose. Maybe the Wiggles or Doodlebops will come to TV - LOL - my little one would love that!

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The first thing that needs to be done is to construct an overpass over Hwy 65 at Sunset. The traffic there is always jammed up, mostly due to casino traffic. I support a hotel (though a smaller version) It provides a place for partying casino-goers to sleep it off rather than driving after having a few drinks.

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Indian tribes will soon be the most powerful force in California politics, so they're darn well going to get their mega-hotel tower, no matter what Joe Citizen wants. Fine. I can accept that. But does the tower have to be so screaming ugly? It looks as if somebody told the architects: "You know the Circus Circus in Vegas? That's so cool. We want something just like that!" All money, no taste...

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those native americans are getting the last laugh now. making bank without paying taxes. doing whatever they wanted under federal protection. ruining cities, towns, villages and people by spreading their cancer of gambling. ha ha ha they laugh all the way to the bank. building a highrise in Roseville ha ha ha. and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

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lots of constrcution jobs provided during the initial build out and several hundred ongoing well paid/low skilled (needed with our education system) jobs. I don't have a problem with this project.

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I am so glad that I gave up gambling years ago. For those who are into gambling, this will save a lot of trips to S. Lake Tahoe.

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A vertical eyesore or a horizontal one? Lincoln, Rocklin and Roseville have covered the Placer County hills with horizontal eyesores (tract housing blight). Thunder Valley wants a vertical one. Both look equally bad.

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Tear out the oak trees, build houses for miles, install a mall, a casino, and a skyline. That's progress. I wouldn't worry about it sticking out like a sore thumb. The pollution in the area is getting so bad, you'll have to be within a couple of miles of the structure to actually see it. I commute in from the north, sometimes the pollution is so bad, I have to be within 8 miles of downtown to see the buildings.The new building will hide in the brown air. Perfect!

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There's NOTHING there. There is no there, there. It's fields of weeds and dead grasses. Why does everyone go off on how ugly it is and make comments like "I'm glad I don't live there". Listen, no one lives there. It's warehouses and dead grass. The only impact this will have is on traffic. They should ask the tribe(s) to foot the bill for a proper interchange and go forth. For those who complain about pollution, it's the cars that choke the air more than any other thing. If people aren't driving to the casino they're driving somewhere. I doubt very much the casino adds much of anything to our polluted atmosphere.

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is a classic NIMBY. She spearheaded this crusade and fought the tribe tooth-and-nail when it was going to be in Penryn. But now it's elsewhere, she doesn't give a damn. Just as long as it's not near her.

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I've disagreed with your posts at times, but this certainly is NOT one of them. You're saying everything I would say about this subject.

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California Tribes and Nevada Casinos operate under basically the same payback percentages...these percentages are programmed into the software on the game and can range anywhere from around 80% payback to 100% payback...the individual casino owner or tribe decide where it is set...If you do not like where TV sets it's payback percentages than go somewhere else but to write that the payback percentages are not regulated is simply wrong.

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This is typical Sacbee misreporting. I do not support this project but 24 stories is hardly a Sears Tower...There are several buildings in downtown Sacramento larger than this.

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