http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19306650
Mercury News by Jeff Barnard 11/10/11FOLLOWED by comments
Bill would lead to dam removal from Klamath River
Lawmakers
from the Pacific Northwest are asking
Congress for approval to spend nearly
$800 million to restore salmon and
sustain irrigation for farmers in the
Klamath Basin of Southern Oregon and
Northern California, where some of the
bitterest battles in the nation have
been fought over sharing water between
fish and farms.
A bill introduced Thursday in Washington
would authorize implementation of two
landmark agreements to remove four dams.
Estimated to represent $536 million in
new federal spending and $262 million in
existing funding that would be
redirected, the Klamath Basin Economic
Restoration Act is widely anticipated to
face a tough road in Congress, where
budget cutting has been a top priority
among Republicans.
"This legislation is proof that through
collaboration and hard work we can move
beyond the disputes of the past and
create a stronger foundation for
economic growth," co-sponsor Sen. Jeff
Merkley, D-Ore., said in a statement.
Co-sponsor Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calif.,
said in a statement the agreements
represent the best way forward for the
Klamath Basin.
"The dam removals will not only benefit
our river basin by restoring fish and
wildlife habitats, it will strengthen
our economy by creating more than 4,600
jobs," Thompson said.
The agreements were signed in 2008 by
Oregon and California, tribes,
conservation groups and farmers to end
decades of battles over sharing scarce
water between farms on a federal
irrigation project and fish.
The bill
would authorize the U.S. Department of
Interior to decide whether to remove
four hydroelectric dams on the Klamath
River to open some 300 miles of spawning
habitat to salmon blocked for a century
and give farmers better assurances of
irrigation water that was shut off
during a drought in 2001 to protect
threatened salmon.
When irrigation was restored in 2002,
tens of thousands of adult salmon died
before they could spawn in low and warm
water conditions that spread disease.
An analysis by
Interior found implementing the
agreements would create more than
4,000 jobs in agriculture,
restoration of salmon habitat, and
boost commercial harvest of chinook
salmon from the Klamath River.
For farmers on the
Klamath Restoration project, the
agreements call for stable minimum
irrigation deliveries, help
developing local power sources to
pump water, and support for a
drought management plan for low
water years.
The agreements also
set minimum flows for salmon and
national wildlife refuges.
If approved next year
by the secretary of Interior, actual
removal of the dams would not start
until 2020.
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COMMENTS
Dear Jeff...as a
regurgitater of "news" you
should be aware, as you
misinform the public (and I
hope you are doing so
without due harm and in
light of innocence) that
there was NEVER ANY kind of
SETTLEMENT. With secret
meetings with 3 of 4 tribes
who will get land and money
given to them, Portland
Oregon environmentalists,
two farmers out of 1000s in
the area, a Water Users
Association founded and
backed by one of the tribes,
etc. etc. ... there was NO
AGREEMENT. As the daughter
of ranchers in Siskiyou
County (of which 3 of 4 of
these dams reside) there are
1000s of ranchers and
farmers (all of whom provide
you and us readers
sustenance to live by) who
are ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO DAM
REMOVAL. Siskiyou County
residents VOTED 79.9999%
(aka majority) FOR DAMS IN.
That means NO AGREEMENT FOR
DAM REMOVAL. Furthermore,
the KBRA, KHSA, EIR/EIS and
executive summaries to match
are full of mistruths (aka
lies) and are nothing but an
agenda to remove citizens
off beautiful, natural
resource-rich land. Shame on
you!!!
Debbie Bacigalupi
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Richard Gierak · Los
Angeles College of
Chiropractic
The entire
premise for
removing the
four
hydroelectric
dams on the
Klamath River is
to restore Coho
Salmon
populations.
1. There is no
historical
evidence that
Coho Salmon were
ever indigenous
to the Klamath
Basin.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/fish/documents/SAL_SH/SAL_Coho_StatusNorth_2002/SAL_Coho_StatusNorth_2002_D.pdf
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a932170617
http://www.naturalprocess.net/np_pages/coho.html
http://www.cfses.org/salmonid/html/salmonid/population.htm
FINAL
Report_Coho
Salmon-Steelhead_Klamath
Expert Panels_04
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2. The Karuk
tribal Council
meeting of Dec.
27, 2001
indicated that
Coho Salmon were
never in the
Klamath River
and they should
not try to bring
them back.
http://www.savethedams.com/?page_id=350
3. In a 1913
California Fish
& Game
Commission
report indicated
there were no
run of either
kind of Salmon
in the Trinity
River even after
Coho were
planted in 1895
and 1899.
4. There is no
provision in the
Federal
Endangered
Species Act for
listing a non-
indigenous
species.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/laws/esa/text.htm
5. California
ESA and NMFS are
in violation of
the Endangered
Species Act by
listing Coho
Salmon which is
unlawful,
arbitrary and
capricious.
6. U.S. Fish &
Wildlife service
are in violation
of their
mandates which
are restricted
to freshwater
species only. By
being involved
in the KBRA and
KHSA regarding a
saltwater
species, ie:
Salmon, their
actions are
unlawful,
arbitrary and
capricious.
http://www.fws.gov/endangered/
7. Based on
these historical
records and the
violation of the
Federal
Endangered
Species Act Coho
Salmon must be
removed from the
endangered list
in California.
8. As to the
commercial
Salmon industry
in the Pacific
Northwest let us
look at the real
data from NOAA
and NMFS. In
1950 the total
catch of Salmon
was 149,000
metric tons with
80% caught in
Alaskan waters.
In 2007 the
total catch of
Salmon was
403,000 metric
tons with 97%
caught in
Alaskan waters.
9. NOAA and NMFS
predicted in
1970 that the
warming of the
Pacific Ocean
would drive
Salmon North
into Alaska.
They were right
but are blaming
dams and human
activities for
the Salmon
moving North.
10. Removing the
dams will
decimate any
future Salmon
runs as the
thousands of
tons of sludge
behind the dams
will destroy
Salmon spawning
beds. The
Klamath in a dry
summer will
revert to
marshes and
swamps and there
will be no Fall
Run of Salmon.
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Ann Smith
I agree with both
posts below. What I
don't see is the
names George Soros
and Warren Buffet's
names connected to
the dam removal.
George Soros funds
the Nature
Conservancy and
Earth Justice. WHY
would Soros want to
have the dams
removed? Why is he
buying grain
elevators and
fertilizer
companies? Why is
the government
deliberately
flooding farm land.
Buffet wants the
dams removed so he
can corner the
energy supply and
raise the residents
rates. Pacific Power
and Light, which he
purchased via
Berkshire Hathaway
and their
subsidiaries have
already raised their
rates to over 11
cents a KWH. Coal is
approximately 6-8
cents a KWH. So we
have wealthy men,
one of which says
the "wealthy should
pay more taxes"
wanting the removal
of the dams,
decimated Shasta
tribal land, corner
the energy and
farmlands and we
aren't to question
that?
It's obvious the
media isn't. They
aren't even doing
due diligence in the
manner. Not one
media outlet has
done any balanced
reporting on this.
They all give the
same talking points.
WAIT! George Soros
owns a lot of media.
Hmmmmmmm
Where are the
Woodwards and
Bernsteins of our
day. They are
non-existent.
SHAMEFUL ABSOLUTELY
SHAMEFUL!
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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/10/4045096/bill-would-lead-to-dam-removal.html
Same article by Barnard
in the Sacramento Bee.
Following are some comments
there:
ConcernedBayArea
Wind farms under fire for
bird kills Darryl Fears,
Washing Post, August 28,
2011
FishGuys alternative to
existing hydroelectric
dams... Wind Farms!"Six
birds found dead recently in
Southern California’s
Tehachapi Mountains were
majestic golden eagles. But
some bird watchers say that
in an area where dozens of
wind turbines slice the air
they were also sitting
ducks.The U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service is
investigating to determine
what killed the big raptors,
and declined to divulge the
conditions of the remains.
But the likely cause of
death is no mystery to
wildlife biologists who say
they were probably clipped
by the blades of some of the
80 wind turbines at the
three-year-old Pine Tree
Wind Farm Project, operated
by the Los Angeles
Department of Water and
Power..."Klamath area is
also home to bird sanctuary.
FishGuy1
I see the conspiracy
theorists are off and
running!
Three points people who want
to keep these four aging
Klamath Dams conveniently
forget or ignore:
(1) The costs of removal to
PacifiCorp's customers
(i.e., about 600,000 of us
in Oregon and about 45,000
people in northern
California) under the
Klamath Settlement Agreement
is capped at $200 million.
But the costs of keeping
these dams, including
rebuilding these 1916-era
dams up to modern safety
standards, is at least $500
million initially -- and
then (according to FERC's
own numbers) they could only
operate for the next 40-year
FERC license at a $20
million/year NET LOSS --
costing customers another $
800 MILLION . Total cost of
keeping the dams = $1.3
BILLION. This would make
their power the most
expensive power in the
region, possibly in the
nation.
(2) The dams are PRIVATE
PROPERTY. In other words,
the company has an absolute
right to remove them to help
keep its customers' power
prices as low as possible.
The fact the some 80% of the
residents of Siskiyou County
voted to keep the days is
meaningless -- through
highly ironic for a county
of sel-proclaimed "property
rights activists" to be
advocating for State
Socialism only for
PacifiCorp. If the voters
want to keep the dams they
should ask their County
Supervisors to buy them so
all the County voters
(taxpayers) can pay through
the nose to keep them
running at a NET LOSS.
(3) Both the Oregon and
California Public Utilities
Commissions (PUCs) -- the
consumer watchdog agencies
protecting power customers'
rights -- have both already
formally ruled that dam
removal under the Klamath
Settlement Agreements is BY
FAR the leasty costly and
least risky alternative for
PacifiCorp's customers. In
short, its the best deal in
town.
How many of you dam-huggers
still want to pay 6.5 TIMES
the costs of taking these
four aging dams down and
replacing their power with
something much cheaper? In
order to run them at a loss?
And that is COMPLETELY aside
from all many economic
benefits to the region's
commercial salmon fisheries
that dam removal would mean,
which the current Draft
Environmental Impact
Statement now on the streets
for comments says are very
large, and will generate
quite a few regional jobs.
The Draft EIS is posted at:
www.klamathrestoration.gov
along with a whole bunch if
scientific studies that went
into these numbers. Go check
it out!
And its not like these dams
generate much power... only
82 MW reliably over the past
50 years averaged. A SINGLE
modern power plant generates
well over 1,000 MW. A single
wind turbine can generate up
to 6 MW. Do the numbers....
You are all entitled to your
own opinions of course --
but NOT to your own FACTS.
SavetheDams
Dear Fishy1-
First, nice name calling:
not surprised.
Was thinking that a mere 271
mile drive home might
provide time for
recalculating extremely
low-balled numbers. $250
Million alone is being put
into the
California Water Bond Bill
of 2012 (don’t you remember
Mr. Pace telling you this
already?). California
Tax Payers front that bill
thanks to "secret" meetings.
Wonder what that deal making
behind closed doors felt
like. To go
home, look at the wife and
kids, and feel good about
oneself.
Further, for Klamath Dam
Removal, rate payers are
forking over an additional
$180Million if dams come out
... so combined, you are
ALREADY way under and
this does not include
restoration/ improvements,
etc in perpetuity.
Also, I recall the same
exact arguments back in 2000
for BPA? How can there be
the same sweeping
statements about costs
savings when comparing 2000
to 2011 - there is a 31.8%
inflation rate difference?
But,
clearly the facts are the
facts and everything else is
just opinion to which one is
entitled to. The dollar
isn’t what it was (George
Soros, “a
managed decline of the US
dollar is necessary”) and
costs are necessarily
skyrocketing (“under my plan
of a cap & trade system” –
now who said this one?).
I also wonder how it feels
to celebrate an “Agreement”
with the Karuks,
Yuroks, Hoopas, Schwartzy,
Salazar, Buffett’s attorney,
and a whole host of
other NON STAKEHOLDERS (yet
benefactors) while the
largest land
stakeholders…the Shasta
Nation/Shasta People,
homeowners, ranchers, and
farmers of SISKIYOU COUNTY
fear every day what false
statements, lie of a media
story, onslaught of
regulations, name calling,
and more they will face as
the day unfolds.
Being as a fish guy and not
even mentioning concern for
fish...what kind of fish guy
does that make?
Sure this was an easy deal
for you to make...you don't
lose your livelihood living
all the way up in Eugene
(271 miles away). Despite
who you claim to
represent...you are not the
biggest loser in this
"deal"...in fact, we all
know you win...being over 3
hours away from the
epicenter of this corrupted
deal. I would imagine, if
you were on the brink of
losing everything you worked
your 61 years for you too
might be stressed,
concerned, living in fear,
and demand social justice if
you were a homeowner in
Siskiyou County. They have
everything to lose...you
have nothing to lose but
maybe pride...cuz any money
that comes from whatever
deals were made...is corrupt
and I'm sure another dam is
already on your hit list. I
can't figure out who you
really work for: PEW? Some
PUC Lobbyist group? You must
cherish those
photos on the steps as
cameras flashed for your
historic deal…
How about this one: If 3 of
the 4 dams are in Siskiyou
County and MOST
of the Klamath River is in
California it doesn't take a
mad scientist or a fake
one to figure out which
state pays more in long term
restoration, flood
control, damage control,
more species disappearing,
loss in homes, businesses,
recreation,
agriculture, income, tax to
the county, private property
values, food, and more. With
a realtor in the family you
gotta
be able to figure this one
out too. Plus, you have the
Ruby Pipeline
which will be the
alternative to GREEN ENERGY.
Who's state will benefit
from the revenue of the Ruby
while rate payers get
slammed with higher costs???
Your math doesn’t compute!!!
And, if you are going to
start name calling, getting
personal, and treating
people as gill netted Coho,
then be prepared for a
defensive reply back. The
comments that have been
provided up until your
insulting one were clean and
scientific with solid facts.
I won’t call you names…but
the
one you obviously earned,
Counselor.
ConcernedBayArea
Can't wait to see how much
you are getting from this
deal FishGuy. It is clear
you are in the purse from
the comments posting all
over and your disregard for
humans who live in the
Klamath Basin and are
directly impacted. My guess
is that you are with
commercial fishing or Fish
and Game! Each of your
points are refutable.
Depending on where you stand
and who you listen to. The
government study is for the
governments benefit (and
yours apparently). Pacific
Corp has admitted to being
forced into the deal and now
gladly going along. Many
other private property
owners will get their ranch
converted to National Park
(it's in the EIR/EIS). What
about those private property
rights. Pacific Corp reps
openly admitted to knowing
that they are killing
property values going along
with this... but they get
out of litigation. What
money hungry company
wouldn't agree! OK, in all
fairness, they were cornered
by the threat of back
charges for years of
violation of environmental
and water quality laws which
extreme environmentalist
like yourself push through
through in blind faith
hoping to stop the world
from changing. How convent
it all is - I believe
extortion is the real
descriptive word to use. I
am usually not this upfront
in comments but you are so
clearly jaded. I read and am
still reading the fluffy EIR/EIS.
1850 pages of protocol,
science and convenience. How
environmental is trap and
haul? How about blasting
which is known will cause
multiple serious and
cumulative effects to the
environment? How about
drought?
The dam repair could be done
at a reasonable cost is we
all got real about the
reports of the Klamath water
quality. The Klamath will
never be free from
phosphorus - studies have
proven this as it is in the
rocks and every time the
wind blows it will
redistribute. Further more,
studies show it is not
toxic. There is not one part
of the premise for dam
removal that holds true!
Debbie Bacigalupi
Aha Jeff...we find your
misleading article has hit
another sheeple news source.
Do you live anywhere near,
around, or with these dams?
NO YOU DO NOT...BUT WE DO!!!
This hack of a story is
filled with mistruths and
lies. But you already knew
this. Let me do your work
for you: REPORT THE TRUTH TO
THE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN
CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES BY
USING EVIDENCE-BASED
MANAGEMENT/CRITICAL THINKING
PRINCIPLES! I'll brand it
Journalism 101.
My family lives near,
around, and with these dams
- for over 30 years. And we
have a home near them
because we LOVE the rugged
land, the wildlife, love our
animals, and the ability to
provide the rest of
California with a valuable
resource: HEALTHY NATURAL
FOOD and the byproducts that
come with.
While you put pen to paper
we put hands to soil to
create something that the
public can actually count on
for a healthy sustainable
lifestyle.
These dams are vital to your
well being, your readers'
well being, and mine.
First, the earth is a closed
system...which means WATER
CANNOT, WILL NOT, DARE NOT
leave this earth.
Next, although water is not
disappearing, it doesn't
magically appear either.
When the dams are gone...so
is the water.
Further, the very people
being blamed for Coho
(non-indigenous, non-native,
fish that prefer shady,
cool-clean, coastal stream
water within 20 miles of the
coast) are the very folk who
only take 3% of water in the
upper basins to use to
irrigate crops...aka provide
you with food, furniture,
clothing, asphalt, paint,
paint brushes, life-saving
pharmaceuticals, ball
bearings, insulation,
sheetrock, landing gear on
airplanes, baseballs, soccer
balls, footballs, cake mix,
glue, gelatin, soap, cream,
shampoo, butter,
politician's botox, and
more...thousands of more
byproducts that you and I
use every day.
When you do your research,
you will find the best part
of the river (any river for
that matter) is where the
river starts or passes
through high mountains;
hence your "Arctic" water
branded for drinking. God,
the spirits, animism, the
big bang (however you like
to believe) did not design
the Klamath River to begin
in a snow melt mountain
range. In FACT, this river
starts in high dessert,
basalt (that's
volcanic)-rich,
magnesium-rich,
phosphorus-rich, arid,
mediterranean land. The lake
from which the water first
flows is a naturally
occurring warm lake,
shallow. It is filled with
natural phosphorus which is
ideal for agriculture and
supplements for health.
Furthermore, the first dam
(Iron Gate) is 187 miles
upstream from the Pacific
Ocean where the fish spend
less than 1/4 of their life
(birth and death).
Thus, these dams are a
valuable resource for
scrubbing those naturally
phosphorus, magnesium,
basalt-rich high desert
waters (aka natural
pollutants that, in
abundance, WILL kill fish)
from the upper basin. As the
less-than-ideal-fish water
passes through each dam, the
water gets cleaner and
cooler. Remember, these
lakes are in arid
country...they are
considered warm lakes which
is why the phosphorus has
the ability to grow blooms.
Funny how beaver are noted
for their
environmentally-saving savvy
... their dams which serve
the same dam purpose are
revered but human-made are
recently shunned. Perhaps we
should ask China what they
think...they must think us
crazy as they build more
dams...our government (plus
Trout Unltd, American
Rivers, Environmental
Defense Fund, Nature
Conservancy, Sierra Club
spend billions of tax payer
dollars in received grants
to sue local communities and
government agencies to
ensure dam removal....by the
way, Jeff...THERE is a great
story for you...have you
researched where and how
some of the leaders in the
NGOs live their lives...I
have...astonishing that they
mill around with the hated
"1%").
Educated people (which
include(d) farmers,
ranchers, surveyors,
immigrants, and
Indians/Native Americans)
were in favor of the dams
when they went in (the first
in 1908) and saw the many
benefits to FISH, PLANTS,
WILDLIFE, AND AND
AND.....wait for
it...PEOPLE!!!
By writing this article and
posting it for the world to
see in a "news" source you
therefore claim to have done
some research and innocent,
unknowing readers rely on
people like you as a worthy
news source. However, from
EVIDENCE/FACTS/and TRUTH I
can tell your readers
without delay that the
science behind the dams
being removed are faulty,
capricious, and agenda
driven. Additionally, THE
CITIZENS (where 3 of the 4
dams reside in Siskiyou
County) are also educated
and therefore VOTED YES TO
THEIR DAMS OVERWHELMINGLY
backing their claims up with
science, evidence, and
knowing how that land was
before and after dams went
in (yes, some are still
alive unfortunately for the
agenda to remove dams).
79.9999% =
Majority/Unanimous Voted 4
THE DAMS IN on the November
2010 ballot.
The Constitutional Sheriffs
of our land are also in
agreement of the land grab
driven/private property
rights stealing agenda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Finally, Klamath means
STINKY (Native American term
- look in the edits of
Wikipedia before the Shasta
Nation Tribe was removed in
2004 - Phoebe Hearst,
Berkeley Publishing) ...
AND, OH JEFF, your article
unfortunately STINKS
also...TO HIGH HEAVEN.
(Just another article
chipping away at our right
to own private
property...under the guise
of the United Nations'
Agenda for the 21st Century
and ICLEI)
Ann Smith
The truly disconcerting
thing about this is the
George Soros and Warren
Buffet connection. George
Soros funds the "Earth
Justice" group promoting dam
removal. This is the same
man who is known for
breaking the currency of
four nations. Warren Buffet
via Berkshire Hathaway
purchased Pacific Light and
Power. WHY would Buffet want
to destroy hydro-electric
dams? Any guess, making the
energy uses pay through the
nose? Profit incentive? Sure
he'd love to pay more in
taxes when the "little guy"
is getting sucked dry from
paying the utility rates he
will want them to pay.
The is land grabs, money,
greed. NOT fish or water
quality. I have not seen ONE
media outlet do any REAL
investigation on this. The
Shasta tribe has been
completely outside any
conversations even though
their lands will be ruined.
CORRUPTION in high places,
and no one not even Sac Bee
cares.
ConcernedBayArea
According to the dam removal
official documents, the jobs
created will be very short
term (the majority temporary
during dam removal). Overall
the community will loose
jobs. Tens of thousands of
homes on the lakes
(including Lake Shastina)
will be on a swamp. Boaters,
fishers and lake goers loose
their homes and recreation
(though the documents say
that there will be an
increase in the recreational
activity of viewing fish!).
This a horrible case of
government agencies creating
Indian and land wars. While
the tribe that opposes
removal of the dams (because
this will disturb their
burial sites under the lakes
and they now live
on/recreate in the lakes),
is not acknowledged by the
DOI and CDF&G, the other
tribes are guaranteed
MILLIONS of DOLLARS, more
fishing rights, and
THOUSANDS of ACRES (of which
will be sovereign and
inaccessible to US citizens
and law enforcement)... this
is all pending approval of
the dams getting removed by
Secretary of the Interior.
The scientific studies that
supposedly back all of this
claim that the Klamath Blue
Green Algae is toxic and
lake must go. THOUSANDS of
health minded Americans
ingest this daily in
supplements and all of the
testimonies show improved
health (I take it too!). The
Klamath Lake water quality
studies at the very heart of
this movement demonstrate
that of the 3 samples taken
on the lake bottom, 2 were
rejected and the 1 remaining
and used defies logic by
independent sedimentation
scientist - this would throw
out this study if any
company or individual
submitted it for peer review
as it is statistically
insignificant and
unsupported science. Coho
are proven to not be
indigenous to the area and
are in record numbers
globally - they were listed
as an endangered species to
the area in error (benefit
of the doubt there). Locals
scientist and engineers have
submitted alternatives plans
that truly benefit the fish
(ladders, tunnels) and
maintain the benefits of the
dams (water filtration,
flood and drought control)
and a fraction of the cost.
ALL IS IGNORED OR DENIED...
Why? Money, Land, Power,
Water. Social Engineering
and Redistribution of
Wealth. The CA water bond of
2012 will also try to push
this through. Many in
Congress are fighting this
shindig! Thank you to the
Congressmen that recognize
the Siskiyou County
community collective
speaking out loudly that
this is a scam and science
for convenience. Our elected
officials took an oath to
uphold our constitutional
rights and have that
opportunity to defend that
here.It is not the
Department of the Interiors,
Fish and Games, Congresses
right or job to redistribute
wealth from citizens to
government agencies, to
spend our tax dollars and
fine us in ways that the
Klamath basin is being
subjected to, and to
socially engineer our
communities. This is not and
will not improve our state
and economy - but will
eradicate local fresh farms,
clean hydroelectric dams
supplying 70,000 homes, and
communities.
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